Fair enough, i'll be playing the alpha modules as they get released and later on the beta's, as there's no way for the full game with all the features listed to be released before very late 2014 or even early 2015.

I somehow doubt it since Newtonian physics were not a 'thing' in any of the games that made Chris Roberts famous. In general space ships were flown like earth fighterplanes and went roughly where the nose was pointing. At best it was possible to put the ship to a 'slide' using afterburner, releasing it and then turning the nose(it was very cool mechanic btw). I don't think this game will have proper Newtonian flightmode +í la I-war. I would much prefer it had, though.

Wel, I too would love the option to disengage the fly by wire system which simulates air flight. Specially if I run out of fuel, killing the "brake" thrusters and "glide" to my destination would make every sense in the universe, but don't know how's the discussion/intent on this.

Fly by wire are extremely sophisticate even nowadays. Airbus are known for having a ancillary mode where the flight computers are partially disabled and allow direct input while keeping the airplane within its structural and flight envelope limits.

So it would be sensible for SC to allow "manual" flight within G limits, unless the flight computer was FUBAR and the daring pilot had to choose wether to eject or try to command the thrusters manually... (coming to a hardcore server near you).

It is using the CryEngine3 for certain, but it is still a trailer with animated characters and animated objects so I disagree with you that it is ingame footage, as as you claim, and what should be common knowledge to anyone following this project, Star Citizen is still in development.

Pray tell how you think segmented scenes from a trailer is ingame footage when anyone with a good understanding of 3D modelling and animation can, using the assets, put something together. By your own logic, the old Evolution video is a ingame video when it is clearly not.

You mean 'finished' like this? :p

Hum... so by your rationale, the trailer is using Cry Engine 3 but the footage is not ingame footage because the characters and assets are animated?!?! Interesting. I thought this was what the graphic engine did to them... You're suggesting then that they should have simply put them static in the trailer? Sorry again I don't follow... you seem rather confused. Oh yes.. that video you linked there is another example of an EVE trailer using EVE assets in some animation software other than EVE's graphic engine. I agree with you on that.



It's not finished, is it? Hold on.. aren't you from the "CCP please fire the Carbon developers or we throw a tantrum, because EVE is only about spaceships" crowd? And you're complaining that it's not finished?!?! .... The contradiction is strong in this one.

Before the beta comes the alpha, which is set to happen sometime in December.

Additional features = additional development time, nothing surprising. And then, of course, games that launch within the initial schedule are kind of uncommon.

It's a crowdfunded game. This means that players have forwarded money in advance to develop the game, in exchange to accesing it once it's done and obtaining certain rewards according to how much they forwarded.

That's what it has come to these days, hu?

Games Wise, there is the upcoming battlefield 4 that also has a 8GB memory requirement for optimal performance, along with a 4 core Intel CPU, GTX680 video card and needs 30 GB of storage......Games are getting pretty big on storage requirements.

That's what worries me as the PS4 is a DX11.1 capable machine and 8 GB of ram, and an X-86 CPU, and the PS3 is still stuck with DX9 and way less onboard memory and a RISC style processor, so it'll be interesting to see how dice handles BF4 on what are basically very different machines to begin with.


A friend of mine actually has a PS3 and is a big fan of BF3, and was shocked when he tried the PC version of BF3, where the particle effects and explosions were much more detailed, some of the larger maps only come on the PC version, not to mention that only the PC version hosts 64 player games, while the PS3 is limited to 32 players online.


So with BF4 looking even better than BF3 and being more demanding, how are dice going to pull it off on a console that's 7 years old in terms of design, and not making visual quality gap between the console version and the PC version even more noticable than it already is with BF3 is beyond me.....It'll be much easier with the PS4 obviously to minimize any gap between it and the PC version since it's a much more recent design, but i suspect PS3 owners will be dissapointed big time.

That was my point exactly, crowdfunding is a slower way to find you wasted your money (MechWarrior Online comes to mind) but all in all, gaming being an art, there is no way to ensure you will "fall in love" with the product until you try it. .

inb4 RSI delivers the universe CCP wanted to deliver but only better (running on a single graphic engine and PC platform) while CCP keeps rubbing their CCPeen to "single shard universes" and "2000 player battles" (while running 3 games on 3 different engines and platforms and watching the other 80% of their playerbase who don't engage in time-dilated blobs unsub and go play SC).

"Core" players will not leave EVE. But then, EVE has thrived riding on a cloud of non-core players who may find SC more appealing to their taste.

Right now, the PCU is looking good, but hisec is way more populated than two years ago. But then hiseccers are not deemed a valuable asset by anyone in the decission making chain...

Well yes, SC's economy and industry surely won't have the level of depth that EVE's has. But then again, many ppl in EVE are not here for the spreadsheets.

It also seems more geared towards having simulated and graphically appealing spaceship combat, with use of a cutting edge graphic engine and VR technology, and not only at a fighter craft level being launched from a carrier to skirmish like in EVE Valkyrie, but also operating bigger ships like cruisers and carriers, using avatars on deck, hangar, stations and planets. All of this connected without engine/platform/business model constraints.

Note: I played Il-2 for the PvP. Recently I played Planetside 2 for the PvP. But in almost five years, I never have considered seriously to PvP in EVE. I wonder how will I feel about PvP'ing at SC, but it's unlikely if the only way to experince it is facing the serious consequences intended, permadeath included.

You haven't actually played EVE in 5 years then! That's where the fun/excitement comes from.

While Star Citizen looks neat, isn't it horribly overrun with real money trading already before anything has happened at all? People flipping limited ships and whatnot for $$$ and whatnot.

Sure they're "limited", but paying $350-$2000 for special ships for a game that hasn't even been released yet seems fairly extreme.

you are not a real star fighter unless you played mantis I remember my dad had to go out any buy a special video card. this was was new because it included 3d! that was big back in 1992!

One of the reasons why i'm not bothered with SC's requirements is that by late 2014, likely my rig will need or will already have got a replacement...

(Anyway, I cna't runt he hanga rmodule, and shall check it when I feel like messing with software again... I really hate it when computers just decide to don't do what they are supposed to do)

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It'sd impressive that they're well on their way to 24 million in funding, so they can get rid of private investors entirely and fund the game they want to make with all the features they want and more so.

For instance many virtual economists have argued that what killed Ultima Online in the end was the introduction of the black dye tub. From there it was a cascade of bad decisions that ultimately left the game in abandonware

Well, a developer can also HTFU and tell players to go F themsleves if they don't like being served the same reheated porridge for 10 years @ a mere 180 Gé¼ per year.

Put in other terms, would you rather have a Constellation in Star Citizen for as long as the game lasts, or double-account EVE for 8 months and just get more of the same?

The interesting point many seem to ignore with Trammel is that the game already was going downhill when it was introduced.

I stated it elsewhere, non-consensual PvP is a mechanic that kills itself. The only way to keep it alive is by changing the game periodically and attracting new players.

Once UO lost the abbility to atract new players, they were going to hell one way or another.

The lifetime insurance isn't all that special, as they mentioned that it only covers the ship itself and none of the fancier weapons, thrusters, engines, powerplants or mods it may have, so by losing the ship, one can potentially end up losing a lot of money just the same.

All the more reason to be cautious to be fair, Star Citizen is pulling in ridiculous amounts of dough, but as more money pours in, expectations continues to skyrocket and in the end, those expectations will simply be impossible to appease. For now, Chris Roberts seems to think he can handle it but that can change.

First it looked like "why should I do crack?", now it's feeling like "why should I do krokodil?"

It's a metaphore on how EVE is addictive, it's not the real stuff, it's destructive, and has become worst on all three accounts over a period of time.

Battleships will not be released till late in the Beta or maybe the Gamma, same with a lot of ships.

This way you will be able or earn them in game or buy them later on(not sure exactly how that will work though as they are putting a cap on the amounts of funds you can change into store money)

Same with a large number of ships they are releasing later, so the smaller ships and the idris will have the ability for LTI but a large number of bigger ships will not.

Edit: Oh and for the record, I too like cake

LTI only covers hull value. Maybe you could name a game where the equipment can cost much more than the ship itself?

SC announced another million-worth goal: alternative starter ship. For a million.

It seems CIG devs becomes as ineffective as CCP devs at actual development of their game.

that won't happen. the pilot needs full control of the systems for unexpected events.

Modern fighters are inherently unstable. Instability leads to maneuverability. Without computer assistance, controlled level flight would be difficult and inefficient. The pilot basically tells the computer where to maneuver the aircraft and computer moves the control surfaces to the needed positions and compensates for any instabilities. Although this is for atmospheric flight and aerodynamics only, not spaceflight .

Spaceflight is whole different animal. At the very least, if there is true newtonian physics, a "kill rotation" button will be needed. Rotation can get out of hand quickly if you're not careful.

/rant off

INPO I believe that he is trying too hard. That he is trying to be better than EVE from what I have read SS is extremely complicated and will not get very far. EVE is a balance between heavy physics and simplicity. EVE is a simulator SS is a RL shoved into a computer and called a game. I will never leave EVE.

^ Me like and have 0 issues if dogfight went live without multilayer if that means game will not run on stock CryEngine.

The interview says the opposite, the dogfight module may be released even without multiplayer (just single player PvE) if they can't release it with SC's MMO backend multiplayer, rather than use CE3's stock multiplayer and later update it.

And it makes sense, why bother ironing the potential issues of using CE3's multiplayer when they may just wait and use their own code and put it to test right from alpha?

Oh I'm certain without raw PvP, certain individuals will find a way to make the lives of SC players painful. After all, initially in EVE Goonswarm was an organization that had rules. Hell, they even disallowed scamming and wanted to have a good reputation.

They became what you see today through being declared the cancer of New Eden. Anyone who shuns them when they come will be responsible for what will they do unto the world when they settle in.

The only way to stop the "griefing" is to disable player impact upon the world - and I'm not sure if CR is willing to do that.